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    p. 134: Manor income £6 -> £10

    This is another of those things that have changed since KAP 5.1 was published.

    Book of the Estate and Book of the Warlord introduced New Economics for landholdings in Pendragon, a unified system that scales up nicely from a single manor all the way to baronial honours.

    The average manor now has an income of £10, not £6, and thus worth 10 Glory per year. However, some things that were earlier abstracted away are now included to the calculation, such as foot soldiers and some other personnel, so the actual amount left for the knight's & his family's upkeep is the same £6, but also extra £1 in discretionary funds that the knight can spend as he wishes, like supporting a second squire.

    In the simple level (all you really need), here is how New Economics works:
    Knights supported: 1 per £10 (so for a 1-manor vassal knight, this would be himself)
    Foot soldiers supported: 3 per £10
    Discretionary funds: £1 per £10
    Family's Standard of Living: £5 + £1 per £10 (so for a 1-manor vassal knight, this would be the old £6 = ordinary maintenance)

    A 3-manor (£30) knight would have:
    3 knights (himself + two household knights)
    9 foot soldiers
    £3 discretionary funds
    £5 + £3 = £8 standard of living, so still ordinary maintenance (until he spends £1 from discretionary funds to upgrade to Rich knight)


    In case of a lord with vassal knights, the discretionary funds and standard of living are based on manors the lord himself holds directly, without vassals.

    So a baron with a £300 honour, having 5 vassal knights with a £10 manor each, would hold £250 income of land directly, and thus:
    30 knights (himself + 24 household knights + 5 vassal knights)
    90 foot soldiers (75 under his direct command and 15 via the vassal knights)
    £25 discretionary funds (based on £250)
    £5 + £25 = £30 standard of living (Superlative)

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    Thanks, Morien. A very help summary.

    It's worth noting that all of the detail in the Book of the Estate of the household personnel and so forth was solely included to provide some context as to the composition of a typical household, at the various sizes. To answer questions like "Do I have a messenger in my household? A healer? A falconer?" etc. They are not supposed to be straightjackets, but rather at-a-glance guidelines. People should not be expected to track all this data; and indeed it is not all that useful for actual gameplay. But it can occasionally provide some useful context.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morien View Post
    This is another of those things that have changed since KAP 5.1 was published.

    A 3-manor (£30) knight would have:
    3 knights (himself + two household knights)
    9 foot soldiers
    £3 discretionary funds
    £5 + £3 = £8 standard of living, so still ordinary maintenance (until he spends £1 from discretionary funds to upgrade to Rich knight)
    Shouldn't it be £6 (from standard of living) + £3 (discretionary funds)?
    Why are you counting only £5?
    Shouldn't it be £4 (from knight & squire) + £2 (from lady & children) = £6?

    Sorry to resurrect this thread.

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